[Marketing] Metamorphosis in Eyeware: Fashion, Function, and Flexibility

Sarah Vinson is the Owner and CEO of Lunette USA, a woman-owned company that imports and distributes luxury eyewear exclusively to independent optical boutiques across the US. She emphasizes building genuine partnerships with these independent opticians and helping them distinguish their practices. Sarah brings considerable experience in small-business operations to her leadership role. Under her direction, Lunette USA curates exclusive frames and supports its partners with competitive pricing, bespoke service, and designs not widely available locally.

Here’s a glimpse of what you’ll learn:

[04:49] Sarah Vinson shares why ZENKA introduces mini eyewear collections throughout the year
[05:49] How interchangeable eyewear toppers encourage low-risk style experimentation
[11:24] How ZENKA’s “Art of Metamorphosis” theme supports style evolution
[15:26] Watching confidence bloom as customers step outside their fashion comfort zones
[19:03] Why individuality matters more than trends in independent eyewear
[26:03] Ways affordable clips help patients prioritize both lens quality and style

In this episode…

Style has always been personal, and now it can shift as easily as your day does. When eyewear becomes something you can change on a whim, does it stop being just functional and start becoming something more expressive?

Sarah Vinson, a longtime advocate for independent eyewear and personal style, explains that modular eyewear allows people to start within their comfort zones, then gradually experiment with bolder colors, patterns, and shapes without committing to an entirely new frame. Because the investment is smaller, patients feel more comfortable taking risks they might otherwise avoid, treating style as something they can evolve rather than get “right” all at once. Over time, that flexibility builds confidence, turning eyewear into a daily tool for self-expression rather than a static necessity, while also reinforcing the value of maintaining high-quality lenses without compromise.

In this episode of the Cleinman Connect Podcast, Kim Carson is joined once again by Sarah Vinson, Owner and CEO of Lunette USA, to discuss the evolution of modular eyewear and its role in modern optical retail. Sarah explores how interchangeable designs blend fashion and function, how introducing new mini collections encourages experimentation, and how practices can boost patient engagement. She also talks about building confidence through small style changes.

Resources mentioned in this episode:

Quotable Moments:

“I love that ZENKA will give people something that’s in their comfort zone.”
“The confidence that just kind of blossoms by trying something different, seeing yourself in a slightly different way.”
“ZENKA really does expand people’s sense of self and their sense of confidence in a very attainable way.”
“I think what’s more appealing to somebody who wants to invest in independent eyewear is a sense of self.”
“It really does make a difference how people leave the optical and how well that frame suits them.”

Action Steps:

Encourage patients to experiment with interchangeable eyewear: Giving people low-risk ways to try new styles builds confidence and increases engagement with your optical offerings.
Highlight versatility during frame selection: Demonstrating how one frame can serve multiple looks helps patients see greater value and personalization in their purchase.
Incorporate fashion storytelling into your displays: Connecting collections to themes or seasons makes eyewear more relatable and easier for patients to explore.
Train staff to guide style evolution: Helping patients move slightly beyond their comfort zones can create memorable experiences and stronger long-term loyalty.
Emphasize both function and self-expression: Positioning eyewear as both a medical necessity and a style tool enhances satisfaction and reinforces the importance of proper lens choices.

Sponsor for this episode…

This episode is brought to you by Lunette USA. They are the exclusive importer of ZENKA Modular Eyewear in the US. The Lunette USA mission is to enhance patient engagement utilizing their unique product partnership. ZENKA eyewear is a 25 year boutique brand designed and manufactured in France that provides your patient the art of metamorphosis. Learn more at Lunetteusa.com.

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Episode Transcript

Intro: 00:07

Welcome to the Cleinman Connect Podcast, where we discuss marketing, ownership, growth strategies, and everything else surrounding the business of optometry. Cleinman is Optometry’s trusted business partner for over 35 years. Hello, I’m Kim Carson hosting Sarah Vinson on this episode of the Cleinman Connect Podcast. Make sure you subscribe and listen to the monthly feature episode of Cleinman Connect’s Optometrist Unleashed with Dr. Trevor Miranda. You can listen to those episodes and more now at Cleinman.com or wherever you like to get podcasts.

I’m joined today by Sarah Vinson, the Owner of Lunette USA. Her driving purpose is creating authentic partnerships that sponsor independent optical ZENKA’s. Interchangeable clips provide the art of metamorphosis that distinguishes our partners in their market. Thank you so much for joining me today.

Sarah Vinson: 01:27

Thank you for having me. It’s a pleasure. As a matter of fact, I feel like a fool because I’m smiling. Your smile is so infectious that, like, the whole time you’re talking, I can’t stop smiling.

Kim Carson: 01:37

Oh my goodness. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Sometimes I sometimes I watch this back and I, I wonder what I was doing with my face in certain moments. But thank you so much for enjoying it.

Sarah Vinson: 01:49

Oh, it’s, it’s, it’s a beautiful smiling face and it’s definitely welcoming for the podcast.

Kim Carson: 01:55

Amazing. Thank you. How have you been keeping since our our last episode? I I’ve seen your socials are still updated.

Sarah Vinson: 02:03

Doing my best with that. Yeah. Trying to train myself using some of those tools that are everywhere online so I can. Did I have any paid endorsements? I would gladly tell your viewership that there’s some really helpful ones that even when you’re not an aficionado, as I am not an aficionado, I feel like I’m getting, I’m building my skill set.

So that means anybody can.

Kim Carson: 02:28

Because totally, totally. You know what? Honestly, without even without a paid sponsorship, if you want to say a couple of the, the tools that you’re using, I certainly don’t mind. I’d love, I’d love some tips too.

Sarah Vinson: 02:42

I actually have had really good luck. A friend’s kind of coaching me through Higgs field AI. Oh, and she’s she is. I can’t think of her handle. I’ll have to look it up and we can add it in here.

But she does this for a living and luckily I’m on the short list of help people who she helps. So yeah, it’s really. For example, I am not a fan and influenced by my children who are younger. I’m. I think of AI as kind of a tool that I want to use effectively, but sparsely because it has environmental impact.

And I just don’t know about the authenticity of some extreme AI. But through the coaching, it was really exciting because I was able to launch an AI kind of me, V s v, virtual V. And she really, I didn’t edit out wrinkles. I didn’t edit out the things that I don’t love about myself. I just tried to make it so that when I am not camera ready, which is all too often.

That I can still schedule some posts and get things in there. So soon to come. A better calendar of integrations with both she and myself and our usual just ZENKA images, which on their own don’t need me.

Kim Carson: 04:18

But well that’s amazing. That’s great.

Sarah Vinson: 04:22

Yeah, it’s really, I think it’s an interesting endeavor. Definitely stretches my patience sometimes, but.

Kim Carson: 04:29

Yeah, but it is. No, that’s a great use of, you know, your image and you’re right. Like when you’re not camera ready or when you’re like, oh, I don’t necessarily have content to use AI in that way. And to use just the, yeah, the image of yourself, she VSV and yourself to two heads are better than one. Always.

Sarah Vinson: 04:49

Always. Yes. So yeah, that’s kind of my, my biggest update other than the collections because yeah, we spoke. Maybe right after the fall collection. But as I probably mentioned before, ZENKA is very diligent and does two large fashion collections, one that they call spring summer and the others fall winter.

But then they historically also do many collections, sometimes center of the summer, almost always toward the holiday season, just kind of to keep people integrated and feeling like they’re celebrating along with each passing moment of the year.

Kim Carson: 05:31

That’s yeah.

Sarah Vinson: 05:32

You know, an excuse to dress up or, or treat yourself.

Kim Carson: 05:35

Yeah, yeah. And you know, fashion is always evolving. So it’s, it makes perfect sense to me that this would evolve as well. And if there’s larger drops twice a year and then, you know, you get little tastes throughout the year, that makes perfect sense to me.

Sarah Vinson: 05:49

Yeah. No, it’s really it. It’s crazy because it leaves a customer my customer’s patient with literally, not figuratively, 400 plus clips, tops for their glasses at any point in time. So there’s really always, from a fashion standpoint, fashion might follow certain patterns, but a person’s personal look usually doesn’t vary hugely. And I love that ZENKA will give people something that’s in their comfort zone.

And then with each collection I’ve seen in person that whatever the customer purchases with their first ZENKA frame kind of starts out well within their comfort zone. And then with each trunk show, with each launch, with the promotionals, I’ll hear from people in store or I’ll be in store and see that people will just kind of creep beyond what they’re comfortable with and experiment because it’s, it’s not the commitment that typically buying a brand new frame that was just released represents, you know, in that case, you’re investing in hopefully a high quality lens. It’s in the frame themselves are, you know, if you’re accustomed to custom frames or independent, where at least you’re also accustomed to a particular price point. And with that comes durability and value. But it’s still a commitment.

So I love seeing that people can take just that baby commitment by getting a new pair of ZENKA tops or, you know, set of ZENKA tops that brings them like way beyond their normal self.

Kim Carson: 07:44

Well, I think of it too. Like, you know, you don’t wear a ball gown every single day. You wear.

Sarah Vinson: 07:51

As much as you might like.

Kim Carson: 07:52

To. I mean, wouldn’t I like to? But you don’t generally wear a ball gown every day. But you might if you were going to a ball or going to something where you needed to wear something a bit more elevated. So that’s exactly how I think of, of the toppers is, oh, what am I, you know, what am I going to today?

Like, does it call for something a little more fashion forward? Or am I just, you know, doing my daily tasks today? Right. So that’s kind of how I think of the toppers too, is, is not necessarily what mood am I in, but like, what am I in for today? What, what are the, the places I’ll be exactly?

Sarah Vinson: 08:30

Yeah. And you’re 100% correct because I do see that in store, especially if either the optician or, or the doctor themselves, if they’re wearing them, depending on how they approach a customer, there is no set niche that tells you it’s a Z, a customer coming in. Because, you know, I’ve heard people say, well, if you look for somebody who walks in with a matching bag and shoes and maybe even belt, then you’re probably looking at a potential customer because they already accessorize. And that’s definitely true. But I, for example, don’t follow that mold in the least.

I would say 95% of my wardrobe is either black, white, or a variation on gray. And I tend to wear the same good quality, but the same earrings every single day. Same rings every single day. I just don’t have that impetus to really tie everything together or to honestly think that hard about what I’m wearing. Makes me lazy, I admit, but for a lazy person, this is just as valuable and as much of a go to as the highly fashionable, the highly coordinated.

Because I use it as my crutch, like here I’m. I’m still grey on grey today, and if I lean in, you can maybe see that I’ve got. Not that adventurous, but a grey leopard on.

Kim Carson: 10:06

Yeah.

Sarah Vinson: 10:07

So instead of a tan leopard and honestly, this is pretty tame. This is not showstopping, but I still feel like for running around after this, going to appointments that I’m put together. And honestly, I will probably get one, two, three comments and compliments on just these panther tops when I go out, because I basically can’t leave the house and not have somebody mention even the most straightforward topper not knowing that it’s a topper. They say, oh, I love your glasses. And I say, thank you.

And then I, you know, depending on how engaged, I’ll show them that they come off and then their mind is blown. So it’s kind of fun.

Kim Carson: 10:46

No, I love that. Yeah, it’s it’s a statement piece.

Sarah Vinson: 10:49

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So it’s my shortcut at least.

Kim Carson: 10:53

Yeah. No, I love that. And you were so kind enough to send me the summer spring collection kind of outline for what is coming. And ZENKA has embraced what is what I saw was called the art of metamorphosis. Could you maybe kind of further explain this, lean in to the already customizable things that that ZENKA and Lunette USA are doing?

Sarah Vinson: 11:24

Yes, absolutely. So ZENKA has been under a kind of reinfused creativity and leadership over the past year plus, and this season, they have kind of created a desire for even more cohesiveness. So they have themes. The themes follow along with associated patterns, color tones, and I believe that the path seems to be that people can identify. Oh, it’s kind of like once upon a time.

Aging myself. We were spring summers or falls and like our color tone and color palette. I don’t it’s not doesn’t mean you have to commit to a certain one, but I think for ZENKA to communicate with the clientele, they’re trying to give them the idea that these color tones, these bold or less bold patterns, all kind of coalesce together. And if you like this, you’ll probably like that. And so they’re distilling down some of their shapes into the most successful, the most flattering, but they’re consistently across styles because now there’s.

When they say style, they mean the shape orientation. So say I’m wearing a style two, which means the round. And so here’s a bare frame just for anybody who hasn’t seen it before. And the, the style frame that you’re wearing is considered more horizontal. And so that is our style one.

It’s the original horizontal frames. And just this past fall is where they added the style three, which is the oversized semi oversize that people are very accustomed to these days. Up at the 54 millimeter range. So a little bit bigger, slightly butterfly shape. So any of these themes that they’ve come up with with the spring launch are available in every single shape, no matter which style you own.

And then multiple tops in the collection will incorporate both the patterns in that theme and solids in that theme. So when people are shopping, they can kind of have more of a go to of what direction they like to style, and they can search by each of those colors and themes and patterns. But I think it really from a traditional fashion standpoint, it really aligns all the ideology so that they kind of can show the consumer this is where we’re going. And the consumer will then respond and, you know, kind of probably show them what is really sought after and what to pursue even more deeply. So this is not an experiment, but this spring is definitely a new direction.

And they accompanied that with a new theme. And I believe it’s going to be a perpetual theme of metamorphosis, because really, that’s what allows the retail customer to do. They allow them, as I said a moment ago, to kind of start out in one vein. Maybe they think they’re conservative. They think they can’t do color.

Like myself, I don’t, despite my penchant for coming on your podcast. I don’t actually love being in front of bunches of people, but. And as a result, I don’t usually step out into their more flamboyant or fashion forward themes. But for example, this is not the spring because I don’t have it in the US yet. But this was a fall collection and I don’t know if the pattern shows up.

Kim Carson: 15:23

Yeah. Very cool. There’s some green in there, like a chartreuse.

Sarah Vinson: 15:26

Yep. They call it Sydney and it does kind of have it was a long a, a cities of the world theme. And it’s, as you can see, maybe on the screen it changes the shape slightly. It gives you a pop of color and pattern. So again, in my normal flat, you know, very plain backdrop, it becomes more the focal point, but not such a focal point that people are like pointing and going, oh my gosh, that’s just so much.

But you’ll have people that go from consistently buying their, their change my black to blue, change my blue to green, and then all of a sudden they’re like, oh, that speaks to me. And it’s really gratifying in store to see that once somebody starts wearing this, the confidence that just kind of blossoms by trying something different, seeing yourself in a slightly different way, I will honestly, sometimes, you know, I’m not I’m not changing the world definitely with glasses. And I don’t take any credit, you know, credit because ZENKA invents the concept and all the patterns. But I do love that moment in store when a customer puts something on and say, it’s a trunk show and there’s multiple people there, and a complete stranger will say, you’re not going to get that one, that looks so amazing. You’ve got to get that one.

And the customer, you know, at first they’re shocked because they don’t know this person. But the, the relief and the excitement that comes over somebody’s face to like stretch their confidence just that little bit further. I can identify with it because I feel the same way when I try something and I’m surprised by it. But like you said, you know, in a ball gown, I think that we borrow some confidence by dressing up, you know, by being really put together in the way that we feel is the best we can do. That feeds on itself.

But like you said, since we’re probably going to be looked at oddly if we’re in our ball gown every day, I feel like the ZENKA really does expand people’s sense of self and their sense of confidence in a very attainable way. You know, and again, I’m not solving world hunger, but I’m, you know, getting a lot of satisfaction.

Kim Carson: 17:47

Yeah. And you’re maybe you’re maybe giving people the confidence that they needed to go out and solve the world’s problems.

Sarah Vinson: 17:54

I certainly would love to be able to say that that’s probably that might be a stretch, but I hope that that’s the case. Or maybe when they come and accept their Nobel Peace Prize in science, maybe they’ll someday they’ll be wearing a ZENKA cream. Who knows?

Kim Carson: 18:10

The pictures will be everywhere. You’ll have content for days.

Sarah Vinson: 18:14

Yeah, well, we’ll cross our fingers, I hope. Yeah.

Kim Carson: 18:18

This is honestly so great, because you know the reason in our notes, I’ll just say one of the reasons that, you know, we decided to, to record this episode now is because Pantone announced their Cloudchaser color of the year, which is basically white, and it’s pretty plain. But everything I’m seeing in the Art of metamorphosis and in the spring and summer calendar is not that at all. There are so many colors patterns. Do you have any insight on why this is the direction that ZENKA wants to go? Like, do they want to be that statement piece?

Sarah Vinson: 19:03

I cannot speak for the designers and I haven’t had that conversation, but I sense that because ZENKA really strives to simultaneously be fashion forward, but something to everyone as much as possible. I would guess that leaning into the pattern and the themes while still having what I believe they call their core collection. For example, this is a new textured but solid. That’s the. It’s a.

It’s. I’m sure on camera it’s not going to show up, but these. This collection has just the slightest. Texture, almost like a sanded feeling. And so the light catches it differently because the.

There’s tiny pieces of sparkle, but most of it is, like I said, a sanded texture. So it plays differently where it’s just an occasional flash, but mostly subdued. And this is considered a blush, so it’s pretty neutral. And with this blush, they also launched a linen color, which makes me think of what you say about the patterns.

Kim Carson: 20:24

Of the cloud chaser. Yeah.

Sarah Vinson: 20:26

And I think that in launching what they call thermo, I don’t know why it’s called thermal. I should probably ask. But all of this patterned textured is called the thermo collection. And it tends to be all solids like a beautiful navy blue. This garnet.

But it takes it at a flatter textural sense. And to me that is what like Arctic white also represents, is just this ability to kind of be warm but neutral at the same time. And to me, they cover that because they have both this texture and the whole palette of colors that goes along with it. But again, when you look at any show, independent show, large show like expo going on now, when you walk among the booths, Independent eyewear is almost synonymous with pieces of art that you’re wearing on your face. You know, to one degree or another.

And as much as I respect fashion trends and the fact that seasons can have themes like like you’re discussing, I think what’s more appealing to somebody who wants to invest in independent eyewear is a sense of self and a sense of individuality. And I think that’s the super exciting thing about having ZENKA in store. I just spoke this week with two new accounts, relatively new accounts, and both of them have had the experience that I would say almost all of my existing accounts have also had that once somebody in the community is seen around wearing ZENKA’s and then they’re just like me, they can’t contain themselves. They have to take them off, take the top off, show people how it works. Well, unlike another one of the amazing brands which I either own or have owned in the past, if you send your friend in saying, oh, I love this X or Y, they are not going to feel super comfortable buying the exact same pair of glasses that you own.

But ZENKA eliminates that as even a consideration, because even if your friend does buy the exact same top for Saint Patrick’s Day.

Kim Carson: 22:55

That that is a lovely green.

Sarah Vinson: 22:57

Isn’t that a great green? Yeah, I’ll model it in a moment for in honor of Saint Patrick’s Day. Even if your friend does add that to their collection. Also, the odds that their entire collection of tops or clips is going to be the same as yours, and they’re going to wear them all the same day. You always wear yours, except for the exception of the Saint Patrick’s Day green.

It’s slim to none that that’s going to happen. So I guess that’s the very roundabout as usual for me. Answer to your question. I think that ZENKA is is is following the concept, the traditional concept of fashion seasons, but adhering to what they believe is their customer’s driving motivation, which is to be themselves and be their best selves, their best selves. And I think part of that is what you face the world with.

And like it or not, for those of us that wear glasses to see, our first impression is usually our frame. So I would guess that that’s why the metamorphosis is quite literal. Each of us, each day that we choose. Some days we actually choose to be invisible. If you’re me.

Or as close to invisible as you can be when you’re walking around. And then other days you really want to wow people and you’re going to be on a podcast. And so you would like to take the focus off yourself and onto your glasses, if possible. But whatever your motivation, it’s really, it sounds like such an infomercial, but ZENKA really can allow any customer to portray themselves any day however they want. And that’s kind of that runs parallel to fashion.

It doesn’t replace it, but it doesn’t supersede it or fall in in behind it. It’s it’s all a concert, I think.

Kim Carson: 24:59

Yeah. I think that it’s honestly even having this conversation with you, I feel like I’m realizing that there’s such a bigger meaning here than, oh, you have toppers. Like it’s, it is that, but that’s not literally what it is. And, you know, I think any of the, any of the ODS odds listening any of the opticians listening. You know, we always, or at least I always think of practices as having a healthcare side and a retail side.

But I also wonder if with different frames and with different toppers, there’s also, you know, kind of a the fashion side and a confidence side to it too. We’re not just kind of pigeonholed into having your healthcare and your retail in practices. And it’s because of things like Sankar frames and for North America or for the US, specifically for Lunette USA, you know, we have you to thank for that.

Sarah Vinson: 26:03

Well, I don’t I can’t take too much credit, but but yeah, I really do. Again, not to overplay the significance of, of selling glasses, but it really does make a difference how people leave the optical and. And how well that frame suits them and serves them. So I know that with your practices, the motivated understandably, the highest motivating factor is having them in the right lens, whether it’s the right treatment on the lens, obviously it’s got to be the right prescription, but there’s so much more to it. And I think that’s the part that I love also with your client base is there is no question in anybody’s mind that the practice’s motivation is eye health.

And to make people as comfortable and seeing as well as they can. And sadly, in certain situations, people will trade off what they think is fashionable for that excellent lens. If the frame is just slightly outside of their budget, they might misguidedly choose to skimp on lens elements in order to have that frame, because it’s what they love. And it I feel as if ZENKA also supports eye health in that manner, because there is no there’s no substitute for the perfect lens for somebody. And in a doctor driven practice, there shouldn’t be any problem making sure that they end up in the absolute best solution for themselves, because the frame is fundamentally affordable and changing out those tops or the clips is so much more affordable than changing out your entire frame every, every six or, you know, 12 or 24 months.

And it’s not to say that doctors won’t eventually sell another frame to that customer. Of course they will. But because of the tops and the clips, I, I go back and forth between top and clip because France definitely everything in their in their advertising is clips. And so it’s hard to make a choice between the two terms.

Kim Carson: 28:41

Because.

Sarah Vinson: 28:43

Anybody who’s old school knows that clip in the, in the North America used to mean those crazy things that like.

Kim Carson: 28:49

Oh, they like grabbed onto your, your frame.

Sarah Vinson: 28:52

Yeah. And if you’re lucky, maybe even they flipped up to and stayed on. You know.

Kim Carson: 28:57

What? I feel like I’m having a recovered memory. My mom had those and they stretched in the middle. So if it, if they were like they had like a spring in the middle and then she would.

Sarah Vinson: 29:07

Oh my gosh.

Kim Carson: 29:07

Because I think like they were a fairly big size. And then my dad could put them on his glasses too, because they would stretch to be farther across.

Sarah Vinson: 29:14

Get out of town.

Kim Carson: 29:15

Yeah, but they were those grabbers where you had to, like, pry them off at the end.

Sarah Vinson: 29:19

Yeah. Yeah. So there’s, there’s so many questionable associations with the word clip in North America that I have had a hard time unilaterally using clip, but it is a clip. It’s just that it luckily doesn’t affix from the top in a.

Kim Carson: 29:36

Yeah.

Sarah Vinson: 29:37

In a crazy old fashioned way.

Kim Carson: 29:39

I think that we actually are at the end of our episode. So is there would you like to drop your handle besides our spring Cleinman event? Are you going to be anywhere else coming up soon?

Sarah Vinson: 29:53

I’m actually super focused on the Cleinman event. I am very excited to be there. I attended Eyeball a couple weeks ago, which was amazing. I’m in Palm Springs. Palm Springs was amazing in and of itself, but the Eyeball was a great event and it was wonderful to be surrounded by.

so many like minded, independent. It’s really a community. Those those people that are committed to being both independent eyewear, but also to support independent practice, because it’s definitely its own challenge to be a self-employed person, not leaning into a huge corporation or an equity group that owns you, or all those things are kind of what independence is fighting against. So it was great to be part of something that was trying to give tools to other independents.

Kim Carson: 30:51

Yeah. And speaking of great fashion too, like I, I did look up because I wanted to go, I don’t know why my, I don’t know why my company would send me of all people. Like there’s much more important and influential people at Cleinman than myself. But I was looking up and yeah, some of the lines. They’re so fashionable.

And that green looks great on you.

Sarah Vinson: 31:13

Oh, really?

Kim Carson: 31:15

Green looks fantastic.

Sarah Vinson: 31:16

I don’t usually, I don’t usually support bright green, but it is perfect for Saint Patrick’s Day. So on that bright green note, I guess my handle is Instagram at us dot net USA. So stay tuned. I think that our content is going to ramp up a little bit and give quite a few new focuses. So we’re going to focus on frames and, and clips of course, but also share our member partners best practices as we come across them.

Share display ideas because there’s some very clever people, much more clever than me that have really amazing ways to display ZENKA and try to both encourage the retail end of ZENKA’s notoriety, but also the business partner end to support problem solving and just and daily little tasks that we might make easier by giving a shortcut.

Kim Carson: 32:19

Amazing. Well, thank you so much. And your website again is Lunetteusa.com. So you can always go there to find out more as well. Thank you so much for your time today, Sarah.

Sarah Vinson: 32:29

Thank you. I look forward to speaking again.

Kim Carson: 32:31

Yay. I look forward to seeing you at VPN.

Sarah Vinson: 32:34

Thank you.

Outro: 32:35

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